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Westofeden · May 16, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

Like WTF Its A Monk said most people have guilds that they do this kind of stuff with. The people who don't have guilds to help hero and hench it. I can't really blame the people I never really get in PUGs anymore if a guild member can't help I'll just hench it. Its better than dealing with incompetent people who for some reason think they are leading the party (this is usualy the type of group I get the one with 4 people who think their leading)

Either way your talking about one farming spot like that is the only place to farm LB points. Got to the gate of secrets and farm outside of there go into the Mirror of Lyss and farm then there.

Racthoh · May 16, 2007, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Having just one other person means you have to wait for them to load, wait for them to type /resign when you're done and need to start over, or they might go AFK so you have to wait... etc. People do the grinding tasks because they're quick ways to get a task done alone, adding humans to the equation just slows it down.

Wtf Its A Monk · May 16, 2007, 02:03 PM // 14:03

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

First of all, he's from France so I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that English is not his first language. Considering that, I'd say that he did very well, better then a lot of the posters who are American. How well do you speak/write french?

Next time, look to see where someone is from before you condem their spelling and grammer.

If you had read my other posts you would see that I explained what caused me to react in such a mean and angry way and that I already laughed at myself for making that spelling mistake. I think you should read the whole story before you jump on someone. As for my comments towards the OPs grammar abilities I apologize.

Amon Warrior · May 16, 2007, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Forums are a good place for any number of reasons, including grievances. But let me tell you about why I appreciate having heroes and henchies as a gameplay option.

Being connected to European servers (my home turf) while playing in China (because of my work) can be a whole 'lag' of pain. You can forget about PVP; and when in peak time, you can forget about playing with other players.

Other times I might find myself with very scarce options go get a human team simply because nearly everyone's asleep in that part of the world.

So, maybe you're right about the fact that you have limited options when getting other players to play with you. I actually have the same problem, although for other reasons - and that is something that could use some improvement.

But why do you choose to put everyone in the same bag? Am I an egotist when I choose to play with AI? Is everyone else too?

When people start a thead and prefer flaming to objectivity, two things will most definitely happen:
1) people will pay more attention to the ranting than the message you were trying to convey.
2) It's an open invitation for more flaming.

This is even more unfortunate if a poster had actually a valid point in the middle of all the debris...

Aera Lure · May 16, 2007, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

YES.

Human is complication, he will agrue about best path, will go too slow or too fast, will not focus fire, will take time ot pick drops or open chests and thus lag behing, will take time to sell stuff at merch, etc, etc, etc.

All this translates to slower runs and less sunspear points per hour.

yuu also hinder other human - you gotta take break, want to answer im, etc etc ... slowing run for other people unnecesarily.

Exactly. When doing something like LB farming (lots of other farming too, for that matter) I'm usually inclined to stick to my system I know. I've got a path i know and follow, a build i use, a time it takes, as well as knowledge of my goal and how long based on all that it will take to get there. All that goes out the window when you invite random people in. You simply have no idea anymore what's going to happen. I also wish to take a break when I wish to do whatever. Another player will wish to do the same during an activity like farming, so it slows the whole process down unless you both are on almost exactly the same page.

PUGs can be fun. I really enjoy them. Quality of play is highly variable, but sometimes its not lack player skill that causes a failure, its just disagreement and lack of organization. Other times sure, its people playing that are very new, dont listen, etc. Still other times i have priceless random groups that hit it off so well we stay together a few missions and have a grand old time - this is why, quite frankly, I still do PUGs. Just cant see going through that hit or miss process for a while to try and find an efficient farming group - time lost I could have spent - farming.

Spazzer · May 16, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

@The original post:

It's just easier to point the henchmen at a gigantic swarm of enemies and then get up and do something.

Come back to the game later, point them at another swarm, walk off to do soemthing else.

Most people doing the LB/SS point farming there are not actually playing much when they leave the outpost, and so you would kind of be a burden to this tactic.

Loviatar · May 16, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by Commander Ryker

First of all, he's from France so I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that English is not his first language. Considering that, I'd say that he did very well, better then a lot of the posters who are American. How well do you speak/write french?

Next time, look to see where someone is from before you condem their spelling and grammer.

QFT

i will add that high school teachers i have kept in touch with and recently met friends for the most part would be wishing they could hold his post up and say she/he wished that the rest of the class could do as well.

when i can do half as well myself................i will realize that i have a long way to go just to catch up.

and i hero/hench 100 per cent as i never know when RL will say stop and hanging friends out to dry is not right IMO

Water Angel · May 16, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

They might have their reasons. They might have a perfectly formed farming team, which they have specificly designed for that area.

Otherwise, your thread is completely unfounded. You cant complain just because someone does want you in their team. Are you scared to use henches or heroes?

you should read all my posts before say such bullshiet.

1-perfect formed team? you mean 8 random picked hench?read better next time.i dont complain about a human perfect team for specific farmin.just a guy with 8 hench for who it would be no difference.

2- are you idiot to the point you dont understand what i said? it's not a matter of if i can do it with hench or hero.just of acces to it.already said and re said. IF I HAD acces to the quest i would be perfctly able do it even naked with a level 1. so no matter of if can or cannot hench it.just acces to it.

and yes i can complain about if you have a game made with the idea players play together and no one neva do it.as it go against the core idea of multiplayer games.

creelie · May 16, 2007, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Racthoh

Having just one other person means you have to wait for them to load, wait for them to type /resign when you're done and need to start over, or they might go AFK so you have to wait... etc. People do the grinding tasks because they're quick ways to get a task done alone, adding humans to the equation just slows it down.

Well, I wish you much boredom and loneliness. I think I would recruit farming buddies even if I had A Show of Force uncompleted - it's a little slower, but much more fun.

Bruce Leeroy · May 16, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

To OP: The problem is you can farm SS/LB points yourself. Just go outside in Hard Mode and talk to the priests for the blessings. You dont need any specific quest to farm SS/LB points. You dont even need to think about your hero skills since you will be riding in wurms. Just go around and kill stuff.

I go solo 98% of the time because I can get up and leave my chair when I feel like it.

Sir Skullcrasher · May 16, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

I do whatever I want and that is the attitude on 99.9% of peoples on GW. So yeah, peoples feel like going solo farming.. they'll do it! Or want to grab a group of henchies and heroes, sure they can do that. But teaming up with others to do quests and missions not that likely.

applejacks · May 16, 2007, 05:09 PM // 17:09

Holy attitude Batman. I guess maybe English is not his first language, or maybe he is dyslexic? Who knows? I don’t know him personally so I won’t judge him. All in all, very judgmental. Let me try to rearrange one of your paragraphs with less attitude. You wrote:

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Second of all, we have heroes. Therefore, people have the ability to do things alone. If you don't like it get in a guild with people who will do the quests and missions with you. Lastly, please do not make anymore of these "I have no friends to help me do quests so remember this is multiplayer game and you should be forced to take me with you" thread

How about:

Well, we do have heroes now. People have the ability to do things alone, better than previously. I see that you are upset about this, perhaps if you joined a guild with people who will do the quests and missions with you? Lastly, I will promise not to respond to threads with such an aggressive insulting tone, so long as you no longer post threads about you having no one in the game to help you do these quests. Deal?

talzek · May 16, 2007, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Alright man, from one MEEPer to an old one, I see your point. Sure, it wouldn't hurt most people to invite you along on a farming run because you don't have the quest.

However, they really don't have to. Some people don't like other people around.

I would agree with you 100%, but only on one condition: Is this the ONLY way to farm LB or SS points? No it isn't. The other ways may be a little slower, but they're there. As such, you'd probably earn a few more points if you just started there as opposed to looking for a party with people who aren't going to invite you anyway.

That said, good luck with the titles

Sir Skullcrasher · May 16, 2007, 05:33 PM // 17:33

I don't like it when peoples forces or demands us (community) to do something for them. Stop being so selfish?

Ouchie · May 16, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Most of the time if someone asks me to go somewhere in HM, I will go with them (provided I am not in the middle of something with a real life party then I offer to go when I am done time permitting), however most of the whispers I get are for Tombs or Urgoz, unless it's a guild/alliance member. I don't put out a LFG message when I go alone because I usually don't want to wait to get going

Red · May 16, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by Water Angel, edited

So for God's sake, people, stop freakin' being so egotistical and full of yourself. It's a MMORPG, and if ANet wanted people to play with only henchmen, then they would have made it like that.

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Originally Posted by Water Angel

... and if everyone was following same mentality as these people, the overcrowded service forum would be empty. No mission completion service, no chest running, no runners, nothing. How many people would bother to bring all caracters though all chapters, then, or do it by themselve? I doubt as many would keep playing.

Look how many people ask for such services What if no one was providing them, but only focusing on himself? gg.

Dude. Mac, you've really got to work on this rage thing. It caused you problems before, and it's going to continue to interfere with your gaming pleasures for as long as you let it.

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if ANet wanted people to play with only henchmen, then they would have made it like that.
Um... they did. Ever since Prophecies, there have been people who have finished the entire game with only henchmen. ANet -did- make it for people to go solo if they wanted to. They also made it so that groups could play together if they wanted.

ANet has allowed both kinds of people--solo and group--to play as they like. This is known as "freedom", and in most modern countries is considered a good thing.

... and if everyone was following same mentality as these people...
But they're not. Some people want to play alone; but others like grouping, and I know some people who do nothing in Guild Wars BUT ask if people in the alliance need help. It's fine to believe that some solo people should expand their horizons, but it's hardly a sin for them to play alone. And, extending their mindset to everyone else, and proving that it wouldn't make the game fun at all, doesn't really mean anything.

In the short term, there are many people who are willing to help, and it's precisely because of this that our service forum ISN'T empty. Don't give a "gg" after asking "what if everyone only thought about himself!?". That's not the case, and it's pointless to discuss.

Overall, I wish there were more PuGs--or, to be more precise, more intelligent and reasonable people willing to group up (since so often, it's only the poor players who desperately need other humans to lead them).

But, I sincerely think it's selfish of you to bombard them all with your righteous philosophy, implying that solo players are playing the game 'wrong', or that they need to change their style to suit you. If you're really concerned with finding groups and such, why not find (or START!) a guild that tries to encourage the spirit of cooperation. It would require patience and compromise, but surely it would be better than what you've got going on now?

Skuld · May 16, 2007, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Who the hell are you to tell me how I should play my game?

gene terrodon · May 16, 2007, 05:54 PM // 17:54

These threads are many, but all boils down to people playing based on their personality. The fact of the matter is that a lot of the same people who want to play the game alone, sans "noobs and noobettes" are mostly the same people who sit at the lunch table by themselves. The same people that are in the back of the class or at their desk all day, with little to no interaction with others.
People that are social in nature are social in the game.
People who are not, well, they are not.
So you must ask, the most social people, are they holed up in their room, den or office playing a computer game or are they out somewhere, well, being social?
I also am willing to bet that those same social people, when they are playing, have a guild they play with, as the anti-social behavior of the community is not their cup of tea.
Regardless of your avatar, people are people and will play a social game, such as Guild Wars, similar to the way the lead their lives.

Sir Skullcrasher · May 16, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Skuld

Who the hell are you to tell me how I should play my game?

QFT, I don't need peoples directing what I'm doing!

Ouchie · May 16, 2007, 06:13 PM // 18:13

You probably could consider making a thread for "forming a group" - when - where - what district to meet in - what mission or Quest to do - farming could be all day forming groups. Choose a normally empty district to form teams out of and go from there - if it works do it again the next week - even cahnge the location sometimes.